tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post1740651854382683155..comments2024-03-23T06:29:29.035-04:00Comments on Small Stream Reflections: Angling History, The Lyman CottageBrk Trthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-47877405699151508482018-11-16T11:25:08.988-05:002018-11-16T11:25:08.988-05:00Alan, always wonderful to come back to this post a...Alan, always wonderful to come back to this post and see the comments etc. <br /><br />Thanks, as always, for doing amazing work!<br /><br />Geof DayGeof Dayhttp://www.searunbrookie.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-74233434740784162982015-11-13T11:28:08.958-05:002015-11-13T11:28:08.958-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116856269717345173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-57107446239319755852015-11-13T11:15:55.784-05:002015-11-13T11:15:55.784-05:00Thanks for the historical read and wonderful site!...Thanks for the historical read and wonderful site!! I love this pics and the travel back in time. I would also like to add that while Lyman is given the direct or the most credit as his life was directed more on the fishery/political side, I think that Sam Tisdale who had his hands in an industrial career (Thus not given as much adeue) was and is one of the most unsung heroes in the American fishery history. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116856269717345173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-56254630567036637062015-09-24T18:15:15.881-04:002015-09-24T18:15:15.881-04:00Patagonia Boston
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Your contribution to this ...Patagonia Boston<br />Thanks<br />Your contribution to this area is very much appreciated. I for one am glad that your company has done so much to the preservation of Red Brook. I know the readers of this blog are also appreciative of your commitment to the environment.<br /><br />Alan PetrucciBrk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-26694797796244264702015-09-24T10:29:34.327-04:002015-09-24T10:29:34.327-04:00This is amaizing! Red Brook, the Lyman's and t...This is amaizing! Red Brook, the Lyman's and the whole of Buttermilk Bay is so rich in bio diversity as well as history. It has been a pleasure to work with all of you and cannot wait to continue do so!Patagonia Bostonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263355895428812109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-15298860572638468292015-09-22T13:53:05.457-04:002015-09-22T13:53:05.457-04:00Again friend, thanks so much.Again friend, thanks so much.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-18581553883210281862015-09-22T11:17:01.255-04:002015-09-22T11:17:01.255-04:00Hi,
Thanks Alan for the wonderful write up!
As ...Hi, <br /><br />Thanks Alan for the wonderful write up!<br /><br />As an old fishing friend would say "never let the facts get in the way of a good story" <br /><br />However, perhaps some minor clarifications might be called for here.<br /><br />Back in the late 1800's, the Lymans, along with Samuel Tisdale, worked and fished together and were part of what became modern fisheries management based on the research they conducted there in Southeastern Massachusetts. We know they were early pioneers of basic hatchery and stocking techniques, so the chances are that some of those fish commemorated there in the cottage might well have been what we refer today as "hatchery" or stocked fish. Granted the techniques of a century ago were different, of course.<br /><br />What Alan doesn't show is that there are many more such wood cutouts of both brown and brook trout there in the Lyman cottage. <br /><br />It also remains true that that there absolutely had to have been wild fish predominating as whatever they stocked came from wild fish that had to have been collected nearby - but keep in mind that the fish taken from Red Brook also include brown trout which were brought here from Europe in the 1880's. <br /><br />No doubt in the old days, things were very different than they are today. There is less water in the stream due to aquifer depletion, there is a tremendous amount of sedimentation and other damage that has resulted from agriculture and nitrogen run off, the estuaries offer less cover and food than they did then, never-mind a hundred years plus of angling effort that up until very recently was not limited to catch and release, artificials only type fishing (thanks to the efforts of Trout Unlimited Volunteers who advocated for this!)<br /><br />Today, we know the fish in Red Brook and other streams on the Cape are indeed genetically unique from stocked fish, so to us it is pretty amazing that these wild fish survived today despite all the environmental changes, experiments and introduced fish (including brown trout) that the Lyman family introduced to Red Brook for their private fishing pleasure.<br /><br />About a decade ago, a loose affiliation of us including Warren Winders, Michael Hopper myself and others began meeting and eventually created the Sea Run Brook Trout Coalition to take what we've learned at Red Brook and apply it to other coastal access streams to help protect and restore the wild stocks that remain. <br /><br />Our work is 100% volunteer powered - with help from many state, federal and other organizations, with donations from individuals and corporate sponsors to help buy scientific equipment and cover expenses.<br /><br />Read more at our website - http://www.searunbrookie.org<br /><br />Geof Day<br />Sea Run Brook Trout CoalitionSea Run Brook Trout Coalitionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05172226097273529183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-32997846601933173442015-09-22T09:21:49.351-04:002015-09-22T09:21:49.351-04:00penbayman
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Mike angling history is most ofte...penbayman<br />Thanks<br />Mike angling history is most often interesting. Take Rangeley Maine.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-26690523002237331372015-09-22T05:29:21.671-04:002015-09-22T05:29:21.671-04:00Thanks for the tour Alan..wonderful history..Thanks for the tour Alan..wonderful history..penbaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14539195518644206210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-5976043405085723892015-09-20T19:38:58.796-04:002015-09-20T19:38:58.796-04:00Howard Levett
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Howard it was sweet.Howard Levett<br />Thanks<br />Howard it was sweet.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-174369342735325552015-09-20T15:50:48.173-04:002015-09-20T15:50:48.173-04:00That's the kind of vacation I could love. Gre...That's the kind of vacation I could love. Great post Alan.cofisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12288930899340581141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-38435691697598191322015-09-20T06:59:01.755-04:002015-09-20T06:59:01.755-04:00Bill Trussell
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Bill I love history and toss ...Bill Trussell<br />Thanks<br />Bill I love history and toss fishing into it.....that's great.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-87719305062006937562015-09-19T19:56:01.499-04:002015-09-19T19:56:01.499-04:00Walt Franklin
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Walt I forgot to post this. C...Walt Franklin<br />Thanks<br />Walt I forgot to post this. Curt Gowdy, a US president and several others enjoyed the fishing at Red Brook.<br />Interesting conversations in the cottage for sure.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-87638061283275748402015-09-19T19:53:11.264-04:002015-09-19T19:53:11.264-04:00Alan
What a great post, featuring a load of histor...Alan<br />What a great post, featuring a load of history. Thanks for sharingBill Trussellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15351692272817692157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-33574310667224035402015-09-19T19:36:35.165-04:002015-09-19T19:36:35.165-04:00Now there's an interesting piece of angling hi...Now there's an interesting piece of angling history, with a cool connection to the present day. Thanks for that.rivertoprambleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10049232742240328847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-49931674663982292882015-09-19T19:10:11.078-04:002015-09-19T19:10:11.078-04:00Mark Kautz
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Mark I think one of the tags sta...Mark Kautz<br />Thanks<br />Mark I think one of the tags stated a 6lb salter.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-81203355506554220762015-09-19T19:08:58.525-04:002015-09-19T19:08:58.525-04:00Lester Kish
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Lester the wood cut outs are pr...Lester Kish<br />Thanks<br />Lester the wood cut outs are probably better than actual skin mounts, but I'll bet the fish were eaten, which was part of it back then.<br />I would love to have been present when they took to the streams.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-32496890283293831172015-09-19T18:44:47.381-04:002015-09-19T18:44:47.381-04:00Wow, 3 1/4 pounds. Huge. Places like that with suc...Wow, 3 1/4 pounds. Huge. Places like that with such a history are way cool. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10326557453092624490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-24715214635030425162015-09-19T15:11:44.697-04:002015-09-19T15:11:44.697-04:00TexWisGirl
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Theresa I could have spent hours...TexWisGirl<br />Thanks<br />Theresa I could have spent hours there.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-18929008320547320342015-09-19T15:10:42.439-04:002015-09-19T15:10:42.439-04:00Parachute Adams
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Sam unfortunately not. A go...Parachute Adams<br />Thanks<br />Sam unfortunately not. A good sized salter today might reach 15 inches, which would be a trophy. But they are all precious and we are glad they are still with us.Brk Trthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12677442640158367831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-55082450261386865942015-09-19T13:20:40.867-04:002015-09-19T13:20:40.867-04:00what a cool place! what a cool place! TexWisGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13641962051044162710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7050365015235775568.post-64689256794541041022015-09-19T12:32:40.579-04:002015-09-19T12:32:40.579-04:00Pretty Amazing the size of those brookies that wer...Pretty Amazing the size of those brookies that were in that stream back then. I wonder if there are still some in there that size. Thanks for the tour of the home...very interesting.<br /><br />Regards, SamSamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858232423819687001noreply@blogger.com